Bullets for Thick-skinned, Dangerous Game (Class 4). If a bullet is not listed here, follow the manufacturer's rest like a Lead Sled to eliminate as much shooter error as possible and the You are using an out of date browser. 165 - 168 Grain. the "old and new" GS differences in mfg would be interesting to note. I came to the conclusion that the reason they used a conventional bullet was simply because it worked perfectly for the job at hand. In the early 90s I shot all my animals with Grand Slams because they were a Premium bullet compared to everything else that we could afford. However, its refined enough to give the accuracy and terminal performance that hunters desire. Winchester Power Point, Hornady InterLock and similar bullets in terms of both The velocity and sd are what kill with the 270. The result is less expansion, higher retained weight and deeper 837. there is no question that the aframe is just a better bullet. Premium bullets are the major brand controlled expansion designs without bonded cores, such as the Barnes X, Speer Grand Slam, Nosler Partition and Winchester Fail-Safe; . I have a small supply of the 250 grain 358 GS that I will be loading in my BLR in 358 Winchester for an upcoming trip to Africa. The Nosler Partition expands as quickly as any hunting bullet. The Deep Curl The bullet features a copper jacket that is bonded to the lead core and a hollow point design that provides for maximum expansion. Class 4 species can be quite dangerous and are the only category of game for which "solid" (non-expanding) round nose bullets are sometimes recommended, particularly for brain shots on hippo and elephant or to immobilize dangerous Class 4 animals by breaking both shoulders. I could not get good accuracy with Speer Grand Slams. Grand Slam is built with a heavy, tapered jacket up to Speer Grand Slam Hornady Interbond I'm not one of you, Skippy. Sierra continues to expand the MatchKing line, with some excellent offerings in 6mm, 6.5mm and 7mm in the traditional hollow-point configurationnot to mention the recent Tipped MatchKing line, which utilizes a green polymer tip to maintain consistent B.C. A Hot-Cor bullet is made by On Mule Deer I use the Nosler 165 BT Ballistic Tip with the same load I use for the Barns and they are right there EVERY TIME. it more suitable for long range use. The Grand Slams I have were made in the early 80's so I'm assuming they are the old style, they shoot around 1" in about all calibers for me with several powders. case!) In recent years, the ammunition company Speer has come under fire for its production of the so-called grand slam bullet. For over a month now I have been trying to develop a 140gr Accubond load for my .270 with no luck. I agree. Thanks! Try finding them cheaper on nosler sps. why package the (essentially) same bullet in two packages? One was straight on the shoulder, breaking the joint and lodging in the off side shoulder. A proper big-deer handload consists of 120 Partitions at 3,078 fps with 54 grains of H4831. Testing the question if the 70GR Nosler Varmageddons are expanding properly after many reported "Pass through" kills. Save Share. I have tried to load partitions in several calibers and find accuracy below 1.5" is a struggle. Class 3 game includes such species as wild boar, red stag, elk, moose, kudu, eland, oryx (.338-.375 caliber) and heavy bullets of high sectional density are preferred. I took my first few deer with the contents of the green-and-yellow box of 170-grain Core-Lokt .30-30 Winchester ammo, so it has a special place in my hunting memories. I am trying to compare the two in terms of other hunter's experiences regarding accuracy and terminal performance on deer, moose and elk. No separation of of cores on impact. Jul 24, 2010 #1 Views please . Speer Grand Slam. I was running them at 3000 fps from my 25-06 and they were bug hole accurate. While I am not a user of Nosler products, they stand on their own merit. RUGER: I just would not even bother to make a switch; I've lost count of the deer and elk I've shot or seen shot with Partitions, and switching to the Grand Slam would be, in my humble opinion, of no advantage whatsoever. If I were using 150 grain bullets in my .308 Winchester rifle, I'd rather shoot an elk with a Grand Slam than a Hot-Cor. The traditional cup-and-core bullets, if they are of proper sectional density, can work very well on African plains game. (Fusion The Grand Slam bullet is designed specifically for hunters looking for an unforgettable experience, while the A-Frame bullet is an unforgettable bullet for hunters looking for an unforgettable shot. The Partition used to be my go to hunting bullet for several years until I ran out of the batches that I had on hand. So will North Forks, Nosler Partitions, Barnes TSX, Kodiaks, Woodleighs, GS soft points, Hornady Interbonds and Speer Grand Slams - and if I missed your favorite bullet -it probably will too. looking at the expansion pics in the 02 catalog (obviously two very different bullets the NAGS & AGS) I'm wondering if I did not think of the AGS when I thought of GS and rated the new ones erroniously. Core-Lokt bullet, which is available in numerous calibers and bullet weights The Speer Grand Slam bullet is an affordable, accurate hunting bullet that is well suited for use in a wide range of applications, including big game hunting. The new grandslams kinda suck. and the lubrication used to insert the core in the jacket. 45% thicker than Hot-Cor jackets with internal flutes at the nose to facilitate Strange, I saw a similar message about the 220 HotCor for .358. Manufacturers feel compelled to offer the latest bullet trends to their customers, hence the Speer Deep Curl. If youre hunting bears on a budget with your .308 or .30-06, 165- or 180-grain Grand Slam engenders all sorts of confidence. $86.49. The NP is my go to hunting bullet aswell. Both are excellent choices. Combination hunts, such as for mule deer, black bear and The result is a strong and accurate hunting bullet that offers a blend of desirable expansion, as well as the deep penetration that ends in a quick kill. To overcome the thick hides, heavy bones, and tough bodies of the worlds most powerful games, Grand Slam bullets are designed with precision in mind. Ill be loading A Frames in my 8mm magnum. Varmints are small pests and include such species as gophers, . filling a drawn gilding metal jacket cup with molten lead, rather than the Expansion is usually twice the original caliber; penetration is adequate; and the Core-Lokt is responsible for a huge amount of game over its career. GS in .358 for my .35 Whelen. As a businessman, I have Re: Nosler Partition or Speer Grand Slam Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. the a-frame being a bonded bullet in addition to partitioned. Frangible bullets also provide the quickest appropriate to the game hunted. I can testify that they worked well, as I got to watch John take a few animals, including a gemsbok, where one worked spectacularly. For example, the 150 grain Hot-Cor is a good choice for deer hunting with a .308 Winchester rifle and it is hard to see how the same caliber and weight bullet from the Deep Curl or Grand Slam lines would make any difference in killing power. bullet. My dad still has a 1970s-vintage box of .30-caliber, 180-grain MatchKings, with maybe 40 left, that hed reach for when a hunting rifle showed accuracy problems. I recently started working up loads using Accubonds and was very pleasantly surprised with their accuracy. I was gonna say that MD, is that a "local" problem or part of the ATK master plan ?? "Montana seems to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans" John Steinbeck. because I think the Nosler Partition has more than proven itself in the hunting world. Most noteworthy the nosler partition lately and speer grand slam back when it still had two cores. Is it a great choice for heavyweights such as brown bear and bison? Joyce W. Hornady introduced his first bullet in 1949 (after making bullet jackets with Vernon Speer), and that 150-grain, .308-inch-caliber spire-point developed his reputation. Perhaps on the other end of the spectrum, John A. Noslers brainchild was designed to combat all the inherent issues associated with weaker hunting bullet designs. The bonding of jacket to core virtually eliminates the possibility of Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. I started reloading over 45 years ago with Speer bullets, before the introduction of Hot-Cor, Boat Tail, Grand Slam and Deep Curl, and I still use them. New Member, I have enjoyed all the posts from the site and hope to learn more about hunting in Africa. It is manufactured in the conventional manner, using a drawn gilding metal out back in 1979. https://www.shootersproshop.com/catalog ategory/2/, https://www.shootersproshop.com/loading -50ct.html. There are bullet fads, just like there are fads in clothing or automobile design. recommendations. Similarly, the versatile Nosler Partition bullet is a perfectly The Grand Slam's greater weight retention should deliver deeper penetration and at least partially compensate for the bullet's lack of sectional density. 1) 7mm 150 grain Partition 35 count - $20 shipped to conusa. But, in 1975, the company that still bears his name released what I consider to be the finest design of Speers lineup: the Speer Grand Slam. ------------------Victory through superior firepower! OK, enough of that rant. Nosler Partition starting at $35 Sportsman's Warehouse. I switched to Partitions about 40 years back, and never regreted it. I like to start .010" off the lands if magazine restrainta allow it, then work up to the max charge unless I see signs of pressure. The GS of today is not the same as it was when it was introduced. Both work really well in my experiencelike the protected point on the GS!! associated with the cooling and consequent slight shrinking of the hot lead core. One expanded nicely on a jackal..leaving only the tail as my. I've read on multiple sites the 200gr Nosler Partition is the best for . Hornady SST have also proven very effective on Class 2 game. just sticking to nosler partitions for smaller game and barnesx for bigger at those speeds. JavaScript is disabled. that's really my big gripe. I've never been able to tell the difference in killing potential from. the 120 grain Grand Slam would be an appropriate bullet choice. Having written several articles about hunting bullets in the Their "heavy game bullets" are now all Trophy Bonded. The 168-grain, .308-inch-diameter, boat-tail, hollow-point MatchKing, especially when loaded in the .308 Winchester, remains a major player. Speer is known for discontinuing bullets and they always seem to drop the ones i use. My son uses 180 Gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claws(no longer available) in a 300 RUM on elk .In last five years all were one shot kills from 50 yds to 350+ yds. This is kind of disappointing as I just worked up loads in my .257 Roberts Ackley Improved using it last fall. Those projectiles were breaking up on impact and were failing to penetrate into the vital organs. 150 Grand Slam 145 ELD-X 140 A-Frame 140 Partition 140 TSX 140 Accubond 130 Partition 130 TTSX 130 A-Frame All the above bullets will do what you need them to do without any drama. 210 and 225gr Nosler Partition 225gr Speer Grand Slam 230gr Hawk Spitzer Hawk Precision Bullets PRICE LIST 225gr Hornady interBOND . A homogenous bullet with limited expansion may be the best all-around choice for Class 4 game and the Barnes TSX has an excellent reputation in appropriate calibers. When I ordered them last year they actually came in the Midway blue boxes they use for their seconds, but did say Speer grand slam. reduces penetration. No matter the powder charge groups range anywhere from 2-4 at 100 yards. All for $70 shipped. And, as I proved with that Scottish stag (in addition to a couple of good whitetails and a Texas boar that fell to a 140-grain InterLock from a Rigby in .275 Rigby), its enough bullet. Want a great practice/plains game bullet for your .375 H&H or .375 Ruger? This category includes such creatures as North American bison, water buffalo, Cape buffalo, hippo, rhino and elephant. from about 50-300 pounds live weight. With its tapered, precision-drawn jacket and long nose, the rifle is designed to penetrate deeply and precisely, making it ideal for hunting anywhere in the world, regardless of the weather conditions. Here's the advertising blurb from their web page: sounds like they dropped the 416 & 458. correct me on this: weren't there two GS (the "African" which included solids and the "regular" in smaller calibers)? The A neighbour of mine shoots 120 grand slams out of his 25-06. Grand Slam was designed to compete with the other deep penetration premium looking at the expansion pics in the 02 catalog (obviously two very different bullets the NAGS & AGS) I'm wondering if I did not think of the AGS when I thought of GS and rated the new ones erroniously. Remingtons mushroom was among the first controlled-expansion designs, with a copper jacketwhich gets thicker at the baselocked into the lead core by means of a cannelure. of the 10 rounds fired, he only recovered two, the rest passed clean through. I don't know exactly when the 'good' ones were replaced by the new version. SAAMI length. According to his friend Jack O'Connor, Vernon Speer, the founder of Speer an interesting assessment! Another consideration is finding a bullet and load that your 175 - 180 Grain. Grand Slam has a crimping cannelure, which also helps to hold jacket and core I was gonna say that MD, is that a "local" problem or part of the ATK master plan ?? subject. Hornady, Swift, Remington and others. If your quarry is deer, the Hot-Cor should be every bit as good. Partitions still are my first choice in most of my rifles. Actually, I kind of forgot this bullet, a 145 7mm from a 7-08: SPEER Grand Slam Premium Big Game Rifle Bullets. Learn how your comment data is processed. this issue is not that the bullet is worthless, the issue is that it is no longer a "premium" bullet like it once was. reasonable choice for Class 2 deer in .257 Roberts, for Class 3 elk in 7mm Magnum and Bill Steigers (BBC) tested a bunch of 375 bullets, including the 285 gr Speer GS in the mid 1980s. When a mushroom reaches the cannelure, the new GS bullet must rely on a longer, wider shank and lower forces. in factory loads and to reloaders. Oh and by the way Corporate wants the rollout plan and new slicks by Tuesday. I've been reading at the twenty-four hour campfire a lot of guys using them with high degree of success. look foreward to hearing the results of your search. I know this may sound like a dumb question, but is there any way to identify the old style Grand Slams from the new style without destroying a bullet? Dont waste your money! driven directly into the heart/lung area of game like red stag and elk, but may Of course in their case there it was one change after another. Mostly 120 grain Nosler Partition but two rifles love those Speer's and one the 120 Sierra's. Good luck. are they currently being marketed as a premium bullet? If you hunt at ranges for which holdover doesnt matter, try some round-nosed Core-Lokts. Mine looks like 4.4 on my non digital calipers. To summarize, Speer Bullets is the only manufacturer who can provide dependable, high-quality ammo for your rifle or handgun, no matter what kind of ammo youre looking for. 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