Compressed CFE BLK 110 gr. Hodgdon CFE BLK. Obviously, the RPK can throw rounds much further, but not as accurate as a 7.6263 bullet. By comparison a sized empty case holds 24.5 grains of H110/296. JavaScript is disabled. In this case, with 11.5 grains in the case, bullet seated on the powder, COL is 2.220. Thanks for the responses, I'll stay on the lookout for info, maybe Hodgdon will eventually explain or change if wrong. I have used Win 296 (same as H110) with good results in subsonic 300 Blk using Sierra 220gr and Hornady 208gr Amax shot out of a 8.5" SBR with a can. Definitely worth a try. Hodgdon has announced a new faster variant of its popular CFE 223 powder. ALL Bulletin content is copyrighted, 2023 AccurateShooter.com. I've thought about trying the 20.2g max, but it's been really accurate, so not worth messing with. With an impact velocity of . Vintage Boxes - Gear, Shell, Case, Primer, Group Buys Design, Active , Waiting and Archives, Closed Buys/Waiting for delivery/in shipment, If this is your first visit, be sure to A couple of known loads were within reason. Moderators:gds, bakerjw, renegade, bamachem, Post Still marred. This is a modern smokeless powder suitable for a wide variety of popular cartridges. Accurate 1680 is good for subs and h110, cfe blk, imr 4227 and lil gun work good for supersonic loads. COSteve, I read your post, and I take it that none of the H110 comparison was with 300BO, correct? 44 Hodgdon CFE Pistol 94 IMR Co IMR 4166 144 Accurate Arms 8700 45 Ramshot Silhouette 95 IMR Co IMR 4064 145 Vihta Vuori 24N41 46 VihtaVuori 3N37 96 Norma 202 146 Hodgdon 50BMG 1038 Pistol SET YOUR SIGHTS ON PISTOL RELOADING DATA Find what you need in four easy steps. I have VERY little imr4227 but I do have cfe blk, lil gun and accurate 1680. For subs, I run Lil Gun with berry's 220 gr in my 8" at 1050 FPS. by alamo5000 Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:48 pm, Post With it, I was getting my 158grn .357 Mag loads up to 1,789fps from my 20" Rossi carbine and 1,822fps from my 24" rifle as well as 1,960fps with my 110grn 30 Carbine loads in my M1 Carbines. 11.2 gr. I need to drop some speed, these were cracking at 25 degrees. My best groups with supers was with 150 gr Hornady interlocks over W296 with CCI 450 primers. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. That's the big problem with H110/296. 1011 Is there an aftermarket seating stem for these V-Max? Considering the low velocity this is encouraging. I have all four and find each has it's strengths with different weight and style bullets. It meters well, my Vintage RCBS powder measure was set up to throw 21.3 grains of 1680. Fast Facts About 300 Blackout. 19 IMR Co IMR GREEN 69 Hodgdon CFE BLK 119 Norma 204 20 Winchester WST 70 Norma 200 120 Hodgdon HYBRID 100V . At this time their shipping/HAZMAT charge is $7.95/$10.00 a price I haven't been able to beat or even come close to elsewhere on line. But for sub-sonic loads I have found IMR 4227 under a Barry's 220gr and Accurate 1680 under a Maker 220gr REX work better and are quieter than than similar velocities with the same bullets driven by H110. I did not take a picture of trigger group, it was actually still very clean. I will probably wnd up grabbing some H110 if Insee it locally. I use W296 only for supers. Brass looks fine. It's almost difficult to find a load our barrels do not like. I bought 2 pounds of this powder since it was all I could find. This spherical propellant is designed expressly for the 300 Remington AAC Blackout cartridge and meters very accurately. Not impressed would be the word of the day. I always record where the bullet will touch the powder. Rem 7 1/2 Last weeks load of 11 grains at 2.255 had an ES just over 200 fps. N110: Similar to Hodgdon H110 and Winchester 296. AVG 1050 I have not used H110 in my blackout, but I have had very good luck with CFE BLK. -300BlkTalk, 110 grain V-Max CFE BLK load data -300BlkTalk, For Better Bullet Seating Try Lapping Inside of Seating Stems Daily Bulletin, https://www.barnesbullets.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/300AACBlackoutV6ForWeb.pdf, 300 BLK suppressed AR Pistol subsonic reloading, Powder question for reloading 300 Blackout Subsonic. CFE BLK vs. H110 for 300 AAC Blackout for Short Barrel ARs - AR15.COM AR-15 AR Pistols Site Notices TNVC vSHOTT 2023 Livestream MAR 21-23 - Win a TNVC Custom Cobalt Kinetics CK-PRO Rifle! Hodgdon CFE BLK. I use H110 for supers (110gr) and AA1680 for subs (180 and 208gr). If you want maximum velocity, try Alliant 300MP. The maxorder quantity of any powder SKU is, https://shop.hodgdon.com/sites/www/files/2022-04/2022-Hodgdon%20Spherical%20Pow. ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? Basically 22 grains, I dropped ten charges and weighed them on a Gempro 250. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Shooters World BLACKOUT. A little more tuning on this load and it will be time to stretch it out. alamo5000 I won't go into powers or practices as other, better men than I have already spoken however if you, or anyone here for that matter, need to order on line might I suggest Graf & Sons. I say try all of them and see which ones work best. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. I have loaded and shot the 44 Mag since the late 50's. I currently have a Smith 69, the 5 shot revolver on the "L" frame, and . I did not want the 18 to go super( ). FYI I have since found the 125gr FMJ #30196 is FAR better for cheap supers in the caliber, and loaded over 20gr of CFE BLK it is decent, but CFE BLK is better suited as a subsonic powder (or with the 110gr v-max), H110/W296 is FAR better for most supers, 18gr under that 125gr bullet crimped to the cannelure is accurate and IIRC at least 100FPS But more importantly, in the same range. containers. Be safe. IMR 4227 is a lot closer to that original powder, and it works well in 300 Blackout. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. Sign up to get updates and access to exclusive promotions. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. I almost quit after two rounds. by ThreeHundredBlackout Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:59 pm, Post You could try seating a bullet with no powder and see how the bullet looks . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. There is a possibility that the chronograph readings are not accurate. I know getting your choice of powders is tough right now, but maybe CFE isn't the best choice for that bullet weight. of H-110 which is our standard loading and it gave 1,151 fps at 42,500 psi. H110 made sense to me since I load .357 sometimes. But note, seating depth can make a significant difference in pressures. LC converted 1.350. Considering I was using a brass catcher, I would call it possibly excessive. So far Hodgdon CFE BLK is the best powder for this round IMO. Bull-X now has a 300 grain flat-nosed bullet available for the I've read the ballistics and reloading guides but would like to hear user reports for reloaders who have experience with CFE BLK and H110 in 300 AAC Blackout in SBRs and . NOTE: Despite the BLK in the name, this is a NOT a black powder substitute. An ES of 353, SD 133. In my 300 blk bolt action CZ 527 with 16" barrel, I had better chrono data and groups with 1680 and Lil gun than I did with CFE blackout for the 220 grain subsonic loads I typically shoot. 813 fps I have read a variety of ballistic charts and reloading data. By 150 grains they are neck and neck. We use it for everything from the 110's to 160+ grain bullets in our 10.5" barrels. Hodgdon Lil'Gun. I also bought some Lil Gun and saw negligible difference in accuracy once I worked up the best 150gr fmj load for each. I only load supers and use the 125 gr Nosler BT. H110 came out much better than A1680 I assume due to the shorter barrel and faster burn rate of H110. Barrel time. 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 22.8gr 2025fps 25.2gr 2250fps 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.3gr 1925fps 23.7gr 2150fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 23.2gr 2075fps 25.8gr 2300fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.7gr 2000fps 24.1gr 2225fps CFE BLK specks, performance and handling are nearly a mirror image of Vit120,, except CFE is a bit . var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga, s); bullets all come in, again, at shorter COAL than Barnes (1.970 and 1.845, respectively, vs. Barnes' 2.250). As someone said above, maybe the case capacity of this brass is lower causing it to be more full???? Scan this QR code to download the app now. I've tried Lil Gun for 300BOit seems to run hot. I really think the answer seems to be 100-110% case fill to get reasonable spreads. I have probably written it off as a short barrel/pistol gas powder. JavaScript is disabled. New Starline 300 Blackout Cases. Clear Ballistics Gel Test, Kimber Camp Guard ? You must log in or register to reply here. maximum average pressure for the 218 Bee is 40,000 CUP. Optimized for the .300 AAC Blackout cartridge, CFE BLK works great for .300 Blackout loads in AR-type rifles throughout the range of bullet weights. 300 Blackout Journey Page 7 Hammer Of Thor, 300 Blackout Journey Page 10-Competition Electronics Digital Link, Reloading 300 Blackout: Ruger American Ranch Rifle 300, I Am Coming Out: 308 Subsonic AR10 vs AR15 300 Blackout 200gr Hornady ELD-X, Comprehensive Corrosion Test: 46 Products Compared, Waltz, DRock, PacoAcuRzr resizing dies bulk 22LR testing, A tribute to William Mike Willard of Swamp Fox Ammunition, The Original 10mm Ammo Made By FFV NORMA AB ?S-670 40 AMOTFORS ? We continue to prioritize our shipments to our traditional sales channels to maximize powder availability at retailers. SWEDEN, 10MM Fenix FXP Ammunition 180gr Speer Gold Dot Gel Test, Underwood 10MM 150gr Nosler ? No where did they have any VV powder and I wasn't going to drive around anymore than I already did. The Hodgdon loading guide for the 300 Blackout, 150 grn bullet, 16" barrel shows a max recommended load (20.5C grns) that only produces 33,500 PSI max pressure. H110 and WW296 are the same powder, different containers. by alamo5000 Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:54 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. I pulled my trigger group and stripped my bolt. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. 2.255 COL, 8 barrel pistol gas Not sure what weight you are using but I am using it in a 16 carbine length adjustable direct impinge gas system. _gaq.push(['_setAccount', 'UA-6323545-2']); That should do the trick for 44 Mag. For lightweight supers the density is too high and yeah you'll be compressing even at starting load. by dellet Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:27 pm, Post 1059 Wolf Small Rifle Magnum primers. In addition, Hodgdon reports that CFE BLK performs superbly in many smaller-capacity cartridges, in particular varmint cartridges such as the .17 Hornet, .17 Ackley Hornet, .218 Bee, .221 Fireball. averaging 3428 fps. Always start low. For sub its dirty and the velocity spread is too high for decent accuracy. Sierra shows a max load of H110 slightly higher than Barnes - 20.5 gr. 208 Hornady Amax Still a fair amount of gas. 'https://ssl' : 'http://www') + '.google-analytics.com/ga.js'; CFE BLK contains our Copper Fouling Eraser ingredient, originally used in military propellant, which greatly deters copper fouling and contributes to longer periods of top accuracy with less barrel cleaning time. This spherical propellant is designed expressly for the 300 Remington AAC Blackout cartridge and meters very accurately. I did not shoot without the suppressor. I started this load like I do many. Privacy Policy. I like H110 under Barnes 110gr TAC-TX. Not quite 1680 loud, but considering the amount of snow on the ground to absorb the noise it was slightly obnoxious. They literally explode. Personally, I would go all the way down to the starting load and work up from there. If they are growing, you have too much compression. It looks about like you would expect given the velocity spreads. Like 300 Blackout ammunition, it had the ability to be loaded to subsonic or supersonic levels and it would fit in a standard AR15 action and magazine. Also good to use with Magnum revolver cartridges like the .357, .41, .44, .454 Casull and .500 S&W magnum cartridges. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. This is the results of five shots. Im right in the middle of the load data. Hodgdon Tite Group. and eight-pound (8-lb.) . Using federal AR match primer. I know it's probably not much help but I've loaded quite a bit of 300blk and I'm really not of fan of CFE BLK in both sub and super loads. It's exactly this velocity drop that caused folks to start looking at alternatives to the 5.56mm NATO projectiles. From my research, it seems to be best when nearly filling case, but not compressed, and I get nearly no unburned powder if I use CCI 450 Magnum primers. The same case holds 26.3 grains of CFE BLk. Email ( required; will not be published ). One new winner* is announced every week! 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