The satin finished stock has cut checkering, the steel bottom metal is one-piece, and the pre-64 Winchester action is one that is revered by African professional hunters. Jeffery & Co. in 1905 and nearly disappeared over time,. Thats one in 1000! A RUGER NO 1 rifle is currently worth an average price of $1,519. #1. Compatible with HK MP5 models and variants, Zenith/MKE Z5-series models, as well as Dakota Tactical, POF, and Omega models chambered in 9mm. and is also known as .404 Rimless Nitro Express. 4.16 Dakota.444 Marlin. Both will kill animals effectively. And then there are those who feel that anything smaller than the .500 Jeffery or .500 Nitro Express is a waste of time, because no smaller cartridge could possibly stop a charge. Weatherbys .416 will push a 400-grain bullet to 2,700 fps, with a correlative recoil level. Measuring the diameters of expansion maybe able to provide more insight to this discussion? . Any bullet type, any bullet weight, barrel twist to match bullet as needed. DoubleTap has offered factory ammo for it in the past, but it remains a handloaded proposition. Some feel that the initial loadings of the .404 Jefferythe 400-grain/2150 fps comboare a bit anemic, but for over a century it has worked and worked well. Now the hunt is more important to me than the shot. Vel. With all due respect to the classics, I think there are better cartridges out there now that are more suitable and will outperform most of those listed. Actually, all of my uncles have passed on (if not, that would make them fit for entry somewhere in Ripleys at ages of 110 to about 115! It was chambered in Vickers rifles, and was issued to the game scouts of Rhodesia, Tanganyika and Uganda for dangerous game control work. I feel that somewhere in the middle lies the best balance of trajectory, striking power and ease of shootingthose lower .40-caliber cartridges. The reasons have been amply supplied in previous blogs. It remains a great choice for a light-recoiling double-rifle cartridge capable of handling all game, including elephant. The 400-grain bullet for the .450-400 3-inchthe smallest diameter of the lothas a sectional density of .340. Dangerous game demands specialized cartridges with lots of stopping power and that are capable of penetrating thick hides. This puts it in the same league as the .416 Rigby, Remington and Ruger. For the professional who makes his living driving fast cars in circles, or 2.5 mile road courses, he can use all that power, and more but for the commuter who is restrained by the speed cops, or urban gridlock, it amounts to no end of frustration and letdown. S.D. / .40-65 Sharps 6.5-284 Norma / 6,5x52 Ital / 6,5x57 Rimmed / 7,21 Firebird 7mm Rigby ,/ .416 / 6 . "The Ruger No. Instead of simply maintaining the .410-inch diameter bullet of the .450/400, the .404 Jeffery utilized a .423-inch diameter bullet of 400 grains, at the same muzzle velocity of 2150 fps, generating 4,100 ft.-lbs. As you know by now, if youve been following these blogs, my own .458 Winchester is also a CZ 550 Magnum, not made in the USA but in the Czech Republic. Availability of ammo is not a factor in this comparison as most dangerous game cartridges are not ones you will find stocked in most any gun store either. was the first American big bore cartridge designed for African dangerous game hunting. 6,5 - 284 Norma. Well, assuming that the .404 Jeff actually achieved those numbers2600 fps from a 300gr, then my CZ should be a super performer on plains game, launching the 350 TSX at 2750 fps! It may lack the cachet of the Jeff in the minds of the .1%, but for the rest of us who own and use the .458 Winchester, the .404 Jeffery has a LOT of catching up to do. In 1911, Londons John Rigby & Co. released what would become one of their most famous proprietary cartridges: the .416 Rigby. It delivers Rigby ballistics in a smaller cartridge, albeit at a higher chamber pressure. Email When Available 470 NE: 500 Email When Available 505 GIBBS: 570 Email When Available 500 NE: 570 Email When Available 500 JEFFERY . .40-Caliber Cartridges: Marvelously In The Middle Big Bores, Fading Away? The design is certainly sound: In both factory ammunition and handloaded stuff, Ive seen nothing but good results from the .416 Ruger. In the late 1990s, A-Square joined SAAMI, and a number of its dangerous-game cartridges became standardized. I know there are still some of those stashed on some dealers shelves in my area. 6.5 mm Caliber. It looked good on paper, but there were immediate problems. That is, right up into the 1970s. The .416 Rigby and .416 Remington are the most popular, followed by the .404 Jeffery. Im going to Alaska in Sept. for bear, and am taking both my .416 Ruger (scoped) and my G&H custom BA in .35 Whelen.. Save my name and email to use for future comments. The Safari Classics line from CZ-USA features the CZ single set trigger system set up to your specifications, matte or gloss blue finish on metal parts, #1 Fancy grade American Walnut stock with dual crossbolts and straight comb, glass . But it does get an ill-proportioned amount of chatter on at least one forum. He thought the full-length case of the .375 H&H (2.850 inches versus 2.500 inches for the .458 Winchester) would alleviate the case capacity problem and maybe even give a bit more velocity, and Mr. Lott was absolutely correct. Jeffery with a Mauser bolt.It was a favorite of my father, the Raja of Maksudpur amongst a large array and he gifted it to me when I left High School at age 17. Nevertheless, rest assured that the .416 Ruger brings the goods. You are using an out of date browser. If I were to choose a bolt-action .45-caliber dangerous game rifle, it would undoubtedly be a .458 Lott. The 404 uses more powder, which I guess is due to larger case capacity, and since velocities are similar, I suppose the 404 runs at lower pressure. It can be produced in an affordable rifle, and ammunition and component brass is much more affordable than the Rigby stuff. 6,5 Creedmoor. Then it faded into oblivion. That affinity might also include the 9.3s (.366), except I find little motiveso farto select one over .358 or .375. Includes 2.5 packets of ammunition if picked up. While the trajectory is less than desirable at ranges over 150 yards, consider that most dangerous game is taken well within the 100-yard mark, so theres no real handicap if you choose the .450 NE when picking a dedicated dangerous game rifle. Here is a quote from Karamojo Bell He wrote about being able to drop an elephant with a light caliber rifle if he shot it in the same place that he would have shot it with a heavy rifle and realised this fully when he saw that elephants shot with a .303 died just as quickly when shot in the same place as a .450/400 double rifle with both triggers wired together, so they went off at the same time. So which are the best dangerous game cartridges of all time? Im a bit late this week because of involvement in a deer hunt; so lets get to it! I dont. The toughest 50-round drum magazine for the MP5 on the market! A wildcat based on the .458 Winchester Magnum and necked down to hold .416-inch bullets, the .416 Taylor is a solid design. The 375 and 416 Ruger outperform their H&H based counterparts, and do so in standard action sizes, which makes them much more useful/wieldable for the average big/dangerous game hunter. Photo Gallery Perhaps it would be great for some PHs who specialize in elephants, but for the rest of us who live in our more restricted real worlds, it would be another excess in hubris that typically ends in frustration and letdown. OK, so lets get to work on the .500 Jeffery: Theres been a VERY long, and mostly boring, recent discussion on one of the forums about the .500 Jeffery. 404 Jeffery 1909, the era of African safaris was in full swing. I'm all for different strokes for different folks, but the 29 year old PH is as ignorant as they come and probably doesn't even understand the purpose of a double rifle.The purpose (the elitists that use themyou know, the guys that survive dangerous game) is to allow you to instantly provide a follow up shot without lowering your gun. The choice of one of these .40-caliber cartridges is as subjective as choosing a deer cartridge. The .416 Rigby was advertized as driving a 410-grain bullet at 2370 fps, for just over 5,100 ft.-lbs. Both came on to the scene before the World War I, when the smokeless powder revolution had changed the course of cartridge development. Sometimes more is just more and not necessarily better. The "Safari Classics" were built in the CZ custom shop here in the States with upgraded Classic style stocks with cheekpiece and they used McGowen barrels. In its Nitro loading, a 400grain jacketed bullet was launched at 2150fps. When a client shows up with a .416 Rigby, you know you have someone who has studied and respects the rich history and traditions of the sport of dangerous-game hunting. 6,5 Jap. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Some are more than a century old; some came about in my lifetime. An insurgence in India resulted in the British Empire banning all .45-caliber ammunition in the early 1900s, so as a result, gun makers needed to replicate the ballistics of the dangerous-game-proven .450 Nitro Express, yet in a different bore diameter. of energy. While that higher pressure was initially an issue because of extraction issues in extreme heat (I lay the blame on the small extractor used on Remingtons rifles), any controlled round feed rifle will give no issues when chambered to .416 Remington. World's most popular community & resource for hunting in Africa since 2007. Among the black bears, pronghorns, mountain goats and mule deer were eight typical and eight non-typical whitetails taken in nine different states. Mag. Available in .375 H&H, .416 Remington Magnum, and .458 Winchester Magnum, the Model 70 Safari Express is a fine representation of what many expect in a dangerous game rifle. For mine in practical terms results are very similar as far as the rounds go. Of the two, only the Jeffery will have panache while doing so. Ive seen its effects first-hand, and it is a true stopping rifle. Email When Available 458 WIN MAG: 500 [+] Close . Want to pursue the heavyweights? 1964: Jim Sullivan, formally of Armalite, joins Ruger for the purpose of developing a new bolt action big game rifle to compete with the Winchester Model 70 and Remington Model 700. My own favorite handloads drive the 400-grain bullets at 2280 fps, mainly because thats where I found the best accuracy; my Heym Express .404 Jeffery will put three shots into 0.75-inch at 100 yards. Trigger two-stage trigger, adjustable, 0,9 kg - 2,5 kg Barrel length 16,5" (419 mm) 20" (508 mm) 24" (609 . Mag..375 H&H.375 Whelan Imp..378 Weatherby.375-.404 Express.404 Jeffery.405 Winchester.416-.284.416 Taylor.416 Rem. in Winchester's Model 70 Safari Express is one of the better values in a dangerous game rifle. Hornady has introduced a couple of loads for it while Barnes and Woodleigh have produced several bullets in addition to Hornady of course. While it doesnt feed very well in a bolt-action rifle, there are many double rifles available in this chambering, and Ruger chambers its fantastic No. Nah! Those ballistics are VERY impressive, to state the obvious in the least possible definition of it. Its lighter chamberings make it easy for recoil-shy shooters to field and makes it ideal for target work, too. One of the very first hunting cartridges to be converted to smokeless powder was the popular .450/400 Magnum Express (31/4"). The .505 Gibbs is a specialty cartridge that is designed for the heavyweights; it really doesnt make a whole lot of sense to use it on lighter game, as there are much better tools for that job. While the Rigby does give a considerable increase in recoil, compared to the .375 H&H, it delivers another 1,000 ft.-lbs. In reviewing Swift bullet manual I see that if both the 404 & 458 are loaded with 400 grain bullets, the velocities are very similar. And a 550gr for the .458WM is obtainable from the same source. It was a particular favorite of Theodore Roosevelt, who dubbed it his medicine gun for lions. John Rigby & Co. released their proprietary big game cartridge in 1911, and it gained much favor among those who used it extensively. for 4,020 ft.-lbs. If the placement is not right with either neither will the result be. 6,5 x 55 SE. Now offered at an even lower price! Today, if I were to go to Africa I would take a .416 and a .300 Wichester magnum for plains game. Mag. Rigby has recently announced the release of the .416 Rigby No. Yes, its belt is unnecessary; and yes, the pressure is higher than some shooters like, but in the field, I doubt any animal could ever tell the difference between a Rigby and Remington. [2] The cartridge is standardized by the C.I.P. bullet at 2125 f.p.s. Ive a nice Howa Stainless 1500 chambered in 375 Ruger. When an African Professional Hunter tells you a .375 H&H is all you need, he means it; itll take any game animal on earth. When a client shows up in camp with a .375 Holland & Holland, you immediately know that you have a practical and able chap as a customer, a wise and knowledgeable hunter who will listen to reason. It may not display this or other websites correctly. BP or smokeless, it's all good. Jeffery introduced their .404 in 1909. Do yourself a favor get hold of a .423 bullet and a .458 bullet hold them in your hands ..you will really see a big difference between these two bullets..the .458" is really a lot bigger than the .423" no comparison at allthe 404 Jeffery is made for a 400 gn bullet at 2150 f/s it is deadly as isbut if you are not sure of your competency with such a load/rifle,,you can go heavier I suppose? The original .404 Rimless Nitro Express used a 400-grain .423-inch bullet at 2,150 fps and was not only effective on all gameincluding elephant and rhinobut was also very easy to shoot well. Mind you, the recipe is a familiar one: 500-grain bullet at 2,150 fps, but with a bit more frontal diameter and yet enough sectional density to penetrate even the honeycombed bone of an elephant skull. Beyond that, the .404 magazine rifle is indeed a fine instrument for dangerous game that has proven itself reliable and dignified for a century. This fact, along with the many different versions made, makes the No. And since the .404 Jeff is a longer bottle-neck case, it burns a larger dose of slower burning power to achieve about 76% of the ballistics of my .458 Win Mag! This is a tough one for me personally, as logic would dictate that the wider availability of the .416 Rigbyincluding the resurgence of the Rigby Big Game riflecoupled with the slight velocity advantage would give it the edge. Mag. 38-55 Winchester.375 Ultra Mag..375-.338 Win. 1 single-shot rifle for it. Ballistics expert Keith Luckhurst ran some trajectory tests comparing a .404 Jeffery loaded with 400-grain bullets at 2280 fps, a .458 Winchester Magnum loaded with 500-grain bullets at 2090 fps, and a .375 H&H leaded with 300-grain bullets at 2550 fps, all sighted in at 100 meters. 6,5 Creedmoor .308 Win. 1970: M77 Magnum is introduced and includes a slightly longer action and calibers . I love it!. While I think the ship has sailed, theres nothing wrong with using a .400 H&H for all dangerous-game hunting. ), and only one was a hunter, and I doubt he was even aware of the .458 Win Mag! The granddaddy of bolt-action big-game calibers is the .458 Win. As well, I have a couple of boxes of 600-grainers (Barnes Original) in .458. The 410-grain .425 Westley Richards bulletthe largesthas an SD of .310. Recoil for both the 9.3x62 and .404 Jeffery are noticeably less than the .458 Win. There are many good bullets in the 230- to 270-grain range that will make for a flat-shooting load. The 1980s saw a revival of the .416-inch-bore diameter: Federal brought back the .416 Rigby, and Remington introduced its .416 Remington Magnum, which is officially based on its 8mm Remington Magnum case (but the .40-caliber more than resembles the wildcat .416 Hoffman). With the exception of those whove handloaded the Rigby case to the red zone, the Remington variant will match the performance of the older cartridge. The Firearms Industry is 2/3 B.S. There are two more to be considered in this series: the .500 Jeffery and the .577 Nitro Express 3. Powder Valley is your Reloading Superstore.. We are the largest provider of all brands of reloading brass because we offer great service and wholesale prices. When the supply of ammunition for the British safari guns began to dry up in the late 50s and early 60s, wildcatters took matters into their own hands. Nobody claims it to be the most accurate fast .30, but it's been a favorite of mine for nearly 40 years. An American Professional Hunter named George Hoffman mated the .416-inch bullets of the Rigby with the case of the .375 H&H; the result was the .416 Hoffman, and it was and still is a good cartridge. So, my reckoning is largely rooted in a love for the .45-70 to begin with, and then wanting one in a bolt action! Like the .300 H&H, the .300 Winchester is designed to headspace off the belt, but the clever reloader can adjust the cartridge to headspace off the shoulder. Whether you are reloading for handgun, rifle, shotshell or muzzleloading we have what you need. A 300-grain load at 2600 fps was also offered, but was not very effective against dangerous game. Hunting dangerous game requires a cartridge of substantial size, one powerful enough to handle those species that have the potential to turn the tables. at the muzzle. The point of the PH's comment was to generalize, and I think he got it right. The .45 ACP Isnt Going Anywhere, 8 On-Target Concealed Carry Insurance Options (2022), 10 Affordable Double-Barrel Shotgun Options (2023), Best AR-15 Options For Any Budget And Buyers Guide (2023), Best Concealed Carry Handguns For Women (2023). By the way, an asidepushed from the same case, with the same powder charge, a larger diameter bullet of the same weight will always yield more velocity. Brands include Hornady, Lapua, Nosler, Remington, Silver State Armory, Nammo, Prvi Partizan, Winchester and mixed range fired.. Learn how your comment data is processed. With a slight shoulder of 8-30, the Jeffery case feeds like it was greased, and was an undeniable blend of striking power and low recoil. I prefer the 404J. The 2300 fps for the 450gr in .423 is realistic (according to my computer program). It's got the history and all the oomph one could ever need. It is sad that these great cartridges have fallen by the wayside. Muz. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." Starting with the least potent of the lot, the .405 Winchester is a straight-walled cartridge released in the Model 1895 Winchester lever-action rifle. Joseph Lang took the .500 Nitroa beast of a cartridgeand necked it down to hold 0.475-inch bullets, and the .470 Nitro Express was born. I think there is so much overlap with cartridges that perhaps the title should be reworded to 10 of the best instead of the 10 best, at which point there is little argument that any of these fit the bill. Some hunters (like Phil Massaro) also recommend dropping down to a 480 grain bullet with the .458 Win Mag. Reloading Brass. The old .40-caliber cartridge (released in 1902) was used by Jim Corbett for tiger and leopards in India, as did John Pondoro Taylor in Africa. Save my name and email to use for future comments. I dont think the modern Jeffery loadthe 400-grain bullet at 2350 fpsgives up much to the Rigby, though the higher sectional density of the Rigby bullet might influence a choice, but the greater frontal diameter.423-inch v. .416-inchmight offset that concept. Yes, the .404 is a gentleman of the old school and welcome in discerning company. Swift High Grade Dangerous Game ammo in .404 Jeffery. .577 Nitro Express compared to a .22 CB. Its as simple as that! I have a couple of problems with this article. Want to use it on elk, moose or plains game? The .450-400 3-inch is also known as the .400 Jeffery. It (the .458 WM) is much, much cheaper to load for (especially if you are limited to factory ammo), has more sources for handloading components as well as the components themselves. This formulawell, actually a 400-grain 416 bullet at 2400 fpswould go on to become an undeniable classic, with the .416 Hoffman and .416 Remington Magnum replicating the recipe, albeit at a higher pressure. Here are some performance figures for modern .458 Win Mag factory ammunition. Actual bullet diameter was .423-inch, already established in Europe as the 10.75mm. And then there's the .404 Jeffery, a superb dangerous-game round. The classic cartridgesthose that made their reputations before World War II during the golden age of the safariall used a bullet with a sectional density greater than 0.300. The example was made in terms of different bullet weights and comparing the 458WM to the 404 Jeff. Mag..375 Dakota.375 Ack. Both kill very well, both have proven to be very accurate (I have sub-MOA loads for both) and both are wonderfully nostalgic. Newer offerings are less flexible in their applications. It seems getting hold of the 404 Jeffery `s .423 " expanded soft nose bullet and a .458" expanded soft nose bullet may share some light on this discussion? I used a .416 rifle in India and later bought a .458 Winchester magnum Ruger No1. Stopping power is no myth when deep penetration and immediate CNS kills are needed; in those instances when tables turn and prey becomes predator and hemorrhaging and blood loss are not enough. When a client shows up in camp with a Remington or a Weatherby in any caliber, you know the hunters experience probably does not extend past the clerk at the gun counter. The 404 uses more powder, which I guess is due to larger case capacity, and since velocities are similar, I suppose the 404 runs at lower pressure. The .450 3-inch Nitro Express This is one of the original success stories, coming at the end of the 19th century, setting the benchmark for the performance of dangerous game cartridges for decades to come. One of the most popular match calibers, the 6,5mm bullet has excellent aerodynamic properties and good sectional density which give it good ballistic potential. I'm a bit late this week because of involvement in a deer hunt; so let's get to it! Similarly, the 375 H&H Mag sired all of Winchester's belted magnum cases, namely the 264, 338, and 458 Winchester Magnums as well as the 7mm Rem Mag. The 130-grain bullets leave the barrel at 3300 fps, and the 150-grain slugs are moving at just about 3150 fps; the trajectory is similar to the 7mm Rem. Before we get too deep into other details, keep in mind (from previous blogs) our system of scoring: There are 10 criteria with a value of 10 points each that makes a possible 100. It was a great rifle to use.I sold it very reluctantly to an Australian buyer when gun laws in India limited ownership of guns to only three weapons. If you are one of the few owners and shooters of the Jeffery, I wish you nothing but success and happiness. The beauty of the .375s is found in the wide selection of bullet weights (235 to 350 grains). Thats 5550 ft-lbs! Sauer 404 Blaser R93 Blaser R8 Ultimate Beretta BRX1 . vs. .458 Lott7mm Rem. [3] 2, a rimmed version of the classic .416 Rigby thats built for double-rifles. Description: SAKO Safari A IV .338 Win Mag. I absolutely love this cartridge; its sloping shoulder allows the cartridges to feed as smooth as silk, and the versatility of the loads will let it purr like a kitten or roar like a lion. I was fortunate to secure, at a very reasonable price, a very late .404. If you find a PH who makes such instant, and largely invalid, assumptions about his client from the rifle that he has chosen, you might rightly assume that his experience, if any, was based on other such questionable observations. Mag. 6,5 Carcano. 2 will gain ground over the next decade. Those are, for the uninformed, .510 bullets (soft or solid) of 570grs at approximately 2350 fps! The .404 Jeffery, an African workhorse that makes a great choice for dangerous game The .458s Now, we're getting into the realm of the true stopping rifles. Heres the crop of the lower .40-caliber cartridges, including their strengths and weaknesses. They provide adequate velocity, reasonable trajectories, and great killing power for their intended classes of game. The .338 Winchester Magnum is one of the most popular magnum cartridges for large American game. Although a modern design, Dakota brass is expensive and somewhat rare in comparison to other cartridge options. For those hunters who want to approach the energy figures of the .45-calibers, but who still want a trajectory that can make the longer shots, the Rigby is a good choice. Are they any real differences, as far as the late Elmer Keith once said about using a .416 Rigby for Kodiak bear- You mean it kills them too dead? between the .416 Rigby as loaded today by Woodleigh (my favorite) and the /416 Ruger? which was positioned as the equivalent of the .470 Nitro Express, namely a 500 grain slug at 2,150 feet per second (fps).. I have a .458 Lott and 404 Jeff , I would rather download the jeff than the 458 Lott or WM . Jack Lott, a veteran African hunter, had experienced those issues I outlined regarding the .458 Winchester MagnumIve heard the story of how he was nearly killedand decided to fix the issue. Bullet weights range from 325 grains up to 450 grains, with the heavier weights being best for dangerous game work. Total:2,175 (members:354, guests:1,821), https://cuttingedgebullets.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=D458, https://cuttingedgebullets.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=D423, 458 Win Mag comparison to its peers-375,416,404. In 2008, the joint effort between Hornady and Ruger was expanded to include the .416 Rugera beltless case designed to fit in a long-action receiver, matching the velocity of the Rigby and Remington cases. 2 Jeffery, the .500/465 NE, and the .476 NE were othersthe .470 became the industry standard as a Professional Hunters stopping rifle. Mag..243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington.25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum.338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum.30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington.257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage.270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington.35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser.416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum.308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield.22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie.300 Win. Although fewer than 200 rifles were made up until World War II, the writings of Robert Ruark and John Taylor immortalized the cartridge. The 404 Jeff is a much better African hunting calibre than the 458 Win would ever be. Not surprisingly, hunters quickly embraced the .416 Rigby, along with similar performing cartridges introduced around the same time like the .404 Jeffery and the .425 Westley Richards, and slightly less powerful, but still potent cartridges like the 9.3x62mm Mauser and the .375 H&H Magnum. The .416 Rigby is a huge rimless case with a 45-degree shoulder. 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